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Submitted by Netzero on Mon, 09/23/2024 - 03:20

While not directly related to this decision, one question of interest is the effect of Cal SB 2 on active and retired out of state peace officers who are not in CA on official business - for example a Nevada full time or honorably retired officer vacationing in CA.

Cal PC Section 25450 lists various peace officers who are exempt from the restrictions of SB 2. This list clearly exempts California active and retired peace officers, but only expressly exempts full time active out of state and federal government peace officers when on official business in CA from SB 2 restrictions (Sec 25450 (e)). 

However, subsections (b) and (d) of 25450 on its face are not limited to CA peace officers and appear broad enough to cover off duty out of state officers but then why the specific exemption in (e) for full time out of state officers on official business in CA? 

The question is does Section 25450 exempt off duty active and honorably retired out of state peace officers from the restrictions of SB 2? 

One argument would be that HR 218 supersedes any limitations of SB 2 as applied to off duty active and honorably retired out of state officers, however, some legal commentators have stated their belief that HR 218 in general places officers carrying concealed firearms under HR 218 in a similar position as a CCW holder. ATF for example, has taken the position that the magazine capacity limits of states apply to out of state officers carrying under HR 218 because HR 218 does not explicitly exempt magazine capacity (but does exempt the firearm and ammunition). A Bill, HR 354 (LEOSA Reform Act of 2024) has been introduced to rectify the magazine capacity issue and other points). 

The CA legislature was clearly aware of the existence of HR 218 but SB 2 does not mention it. The omission would, therefore, appear to be intentional. The question is what was the intended effect of this omission and how does it affect potential criminal/civil liability of out of state off duty active/retired officers carrying in CA? 

Again, just a side comment for consideration and discussion. 

 

Submitted by Robert Phillips on Sun, 09/29/2024 - 13:53

I don't know, and checking LEXIS, no court has discussed the issue yet.  That might be because California cops likely extend a little "professional courtesy" when they come across honorably retired law enforcement officers from out of state.  Or, the statutes being so vague on this issue, and subject to different opinions on how to enforce these laws, California prosecutors aren't filing these cases.  So we may never know.

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